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Atheist group opposes Holocaust memorial on Ohio statehouse grounds

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This is from Fox News.

Where in any of our founding documents does the term Separation

of Church and State appear?

I have never been able to locate this term.

Another example of atheist bullying.

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An atheist group believes the Holocaust memorial depicted above violates the separation of church and state. (daniel-libeskind.com)

A Wisconsin-based atheist group has expressed its opposition to a Holocaust memorial set to be built on the ground of the Ohio statehouse, arguing that its location violates the separation of church and state and calling the Star of David “exclusionary” in memorializing victims of the Nazis.

But Ohio Gov. John Kasich and proponents of the memorial say it will teach people about man’s inhumanity to man and that, contrary to the atheists’ claim, it will include all those killed by the Nazis — including U.S. soldiers, ethnic and religious minorities, homosexuals and the mentally ill.

Joyce Garver Keller, executive director of Jewish Communities, an organization that represents Jewish groups across the state, said the memorial is intended “mostly to honor those who had survived and who had come to Ohio to build a life.”

Keller said it is appropriate to build the structure on state grounds because it will “remind lawmakers and those who work in and around government of the important role and responsibility they have in speaking out in the face of  hatred, anti-Semetism and genocide.”

“The Holocaust did not begin in concentration camps in the ovens with smoke stacks and mass graves,” Keller told FoxNews.com. “It began in the halls of government with the passage of laws that targeted Jews, taking their properties, their businesses, their home, their freedom and ultimately their lives.

Kasich first proposed the idea of a memorial during a May 4, 2011, annual Holocaust commemoration at the statehouse.

“We need to have remembrance in this statehouse,” Kasich said at the time. “I’d call on the Jewish community, along with our brothers in faith, to develop some sort of a memorial that members of our legislature and members of the public, as they pass through this great rotunda, will be able to understand not just the history of a time when people wouldn’t stand, but the fact that it’s today we must stand against evil.”

“Let’s construct something in this rotunda that can teach people about man’s inhumanity to man, best exemplified by what happened in the Holocaust,” he said.

The inscription planned for the memorial will read: “Inspired by the Ohio soldiers who were part of the American liberation and survivors who made Ohio their home. If you save one life, it is as if you have saved the world.”

“In remembrance the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust and millions more including prisoners of war, ethnic and religious minorities, homosexuals, the mentally ill, the disabled, and political dissidents were suffered under Nazi Germany.”

The Jewish Star of David will be prominently featured at the site.

Kellers and others call such a memorial “inclusive,” while the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) claims the memorial is discriminatory and has no place on government grounds.

“The Star of David is a religious symbol that is exclusionary,” Dan Barker, a spokesman for the group, told FoxNews.com. “We’re not opposed to the memorial and we have sympathy for all the victims. We would probably give money to it if it were not on state grounds.”

“A secular government is not supposed to have a religious endorsement,” Barker continued. “I have Jewish heritage myself, but just because we like the religion and we’re sympathetic to Holocaust survivors, doesn’t mean we should violate the precious American principle of separation between church and state.”

Barker said the group expressed its opposition in a letter to the state, but has no plans to sue.

Approximately 11 million people perished in the Holocaust. Historians say at least 6 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis, as did 1.9 million Polish civilians, mostly Christians. More than three million Soviet prisoners of war died and more than two million Soviet civilians, mostly Christians, were killed. More than one million Yugoslav civilians died and between 22,000 and 500,000 Gypsies were the victims of genocide, according to historical accounts. Approximately 70,000 men, women and children with mental and physical handicaps were murdered as well as an unknown number of political prisoners, resistance fighters, homosexuals and deportees.

According to Kasich’s office, the memorial will sit 84 yards from a bronze inscription in front of the statehouse that reads: “With God, all things are possible.” The American Civil Liberties Union had previously sued over that inscription and lost.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/25/atheist-group-opposes-holocaust-memorial-on-ohio-statehouse-grounds/#ixzz2a7Djf5k2

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Thanksgiving — A Violation of Church and State?

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Is this the future we face under a Obama administration?
I have the feeling it is.
May God have mercy on us and forgive us for this attitude.
Is the government’s observance of Thanksgiving a violation of the separation of church and state?This past week, a Newsweek/Washington Post editorial labeled presidential Thanksgiving Day proclamations as “cracks in the wall of separation.” The author explained, “The problem with these proclamations, it seems to me, is that they pave the way for public acceptance of gross violations of the constitutional separation of church and state.” What?!
Forget for a moment that nearly every president since George Washington (and the Continental Congress before him) has given Judeo-Christian proclamations for Thanksgiving (except between 1816 and 1861) and also has declared other national days of fasting and prayer. Secularists, such as the author of the editorial, get almost giddy every time they highlight that Thomas Jefferson rejected the notion of proclaiming Thanksgiving spirituals and prayers.

 

But the truth is Jefferson was far from the modern-day secularist they make him out to be.
Sure, Jefferson was adamant (as we all should be) that there should be no federal subscription to any one form of religious sectarianism. That is largely what the First Amendment is all about — establishing the free exercise of religion and restricting sectarian supremacy in government, as well as government intrusion in churches.
But secularists make two grave mistakes when it comes to Jefferson and the First Amendment. First, they misconstrue his understanding of separation. Second, they overlook how Jefferson himself endorsed and intermingled religion and politics, even during his two terms as president. Let me explain, as I believe it is a timely reminder, given that we are experiencing a new round of battles in our Christmas culture war, too.

 

The phrase “separation of church and state” actually comes from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. He told them that no particular Christian denomination was going to have a monopoly in government. His words, “a wall of separation between Church & State,” were not written to remove all religious practice from government or civic settings, but to prohibit the domination and even legislation of religious sectarianism.

 

Proof that Jefferson was not trying to rid government of religious (specifically Christian) influence comes from the fact that he endorsed the use of government buildings for church meetings and services, signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians that allotted federal money to support the building of a Catholic church and to pay the salaries of the church’s priests, and repeatedly renewed legislation that gave land to the United Brethren to help their missionary activities among the American Indians.
Some might be completely surprised to discover that just two days after Jefferson wrote his famous letter citing the “wall of separation between Church & State,” he attended church in the place where he always had as president: the U.S. Capitol.
The very seat of our nation’s government was used for sacred purposes. As the Library of Congress’ Web site notes, “It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817the state became the church.” Does that sound like someone who was trying to create an impenetrable wall of separation between church and state?Let’s face the present Thanksgiving facts.
President Bush likely will give the last explicit Judeo-Christian Thanksgiving proclamation that Americans will hear for the next four to eight years, as President-elect Obama likely will coddle a form of godliness in his Thanksgiving addresses (if he indeed gives them) that appeases the masses with a deity that fits every politically correct dress.

 

But I’m an optimist. And because so much attention is being given right now by the media and the president-elect himself regarding his parallels to and lessons learned from President Abraham Lincoln, I recommend Obama heed Lincoln’s Thanksgiving wisdom.
Don’t mince or water down the God of the Pilgrims, as is being done in public schools across this land through the retelling of the first Thanksgiving.Obama doesn’t even need a speechwriter for Thanksgiving 2009. He simply can recite
Lincoln’s Thanksgiving Day Proclamation, in which Lincoln thanked the Almighty for America’s bountiful blessings and providential care despite enduring a war and grave economic hardships.
The content seems divinely timed for even such a wintry season as our own:”No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the most high God, who while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. … I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens … to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father, who dwelleth in the heavens.
And I recommend to them that, while offering up the ascriptions justly due to him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged and fervently implore the interposition of the almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the divine purposes, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and union.
“Whatever your religious persuasion, don’t hesitate this Thanksgiving to bow your head, give thanks to God, and follow Lincoln’s advice. And when you do, don’t forget to say a prayer for our troops and their families.
While they serve us so we can serve our Thanksgiving feasts safely, the least we can do is serve them a little honor and remembrance.

 

U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

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How many people are aware of these facts?

So there is a separation of church and state.

I do not think so.

 

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